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Theme · from book 1

Staying human

'If we get to the point where we don't help each other anymore, that's when we stop being human.' The book's argument with itself: Carl covers the Meadow Lark signs so no one farms the elderly for experience, is told by twenty percent of a focus group that he is carrying dead weight, and cannot decide whether keeping them alive was a kindness.

First appears: Book 1

Series arc

As of book 8. The theme since a barefoot man in boxers; in book 8 a sluggalo's word for what lies beyond it — 'Real Gs' — and Carl's own measures: 'I couldn’t react like that' at a curb, 'It would never be me, and I needed to remember that' at a what-if apartment, and a pig made sapient across 'a line I’d never known was there'.

Open threads

Status is open or resolved; the chapter after it is the last one that moved the thread.

Thread Opened Status
Donut's mask B5 ch. 77 resolved · B6 ch. 60 — Off, unremarked: a gold player-killer skull over her head that neither of them mentions.

All threads: Open threads.

Through book 1

Book 1 states the thesis (B1 ch. 37) and immediately complicates it: Carl's kindness to Meadow Lark costs Yolanda and Randall, and he ends the book unsure it was a kindness. The series' question is whether the line survives contact with deeper floors.

Through book 2

'You can't save them all' (B2 ch. 14) against 'this is my family' (B2 ch. 12); the floor's kindnesses cost a town and nearly a life, and stop a genocide by accident.

Through book 3

The argument with 'You can't save them all.' won with hats and carts and a train driven the wrong way (B3 ch. 15, B3 ch. 25, B3 ch. 28); the people who use people — a father's ring, a psychiatrist's bait (B3 ch. 19, B3 ch. 24); Carl's own hands on Gary and the mantaur (B3 ch. 26, B3 ch. 33); and 'how much I needed other people' (B3 ch. 34).

Through book 4

Argued by the people around Carl now: Donut opening a hole rather than let him kill a friend (B4 ch. 14); Imani's rule that no one is left behind (B4 ch. 32); Katia leaving to protect people nobody else will (B4 ch. 33); Florin's reason to keep living (B4 ch. 33). Against it, Carl: 'Fuck you, I said to that voice. He is the enemy' (B4 ch. 31); tens of thousands drowned as a favour, 'A distant part of me was alarmed' (B4 ch. 34).

Through book 5

'No matter what' (B5 ch. 12); 'That's not what we do here' (B5 ch. 44); 'that's not who I was. She knew that' (B5 ch. 47); a decision to walk into the Nothing for the others (B5 ch. 73); and the mask (B5 ch. 77).

Through book 6

'That's not who we are, Donut' (B6 ch. 16); a line drawn over a dead crawler's card (B6 ch. 47).

Through book 7

An order erased; a potion put away; a ring swallowed; a woman made human and less (B7 ch. 30, B7 ch. 48, B7 ch. 85, B7 ch. 86).

Through book 8

Donut: 'Do you really think I could be a proper girlfriend for Carl? It’s a crime against nature' (B8 ch. 16). Carl at the curb: 'I couldn’t react like that' (B8 ch. 45); Bigs's word for what is beyond human: 'Real Gs' (B8 ch. 60); 'Was I different?' (B8 ch. 59); of the what-if apartments, 'That was the point, of course. But it still hurt' (B8 ch. 76); 'It would never be me, and I needed to remember that' (B8 ch. 95). Making a pig sapient crosses 'a line I’d never known was there' (B8 ch. 94).

Where they appear

Book Chapters they are in (of the book's) Where
1 — Dungeon Crawler Carl 1/48 Ch. 37 · the book's own page
2 — Carl's Doomsday Scenario 0/26 — · the book's own page
3 — The Dungeon Anarchist's Cookbook 0/35 — · the book's own page
4 — The Gate of the Feral Gods 0/35 — · the book's own page
5 — The Butcher's Masquerade 1/78 Ch. 14 · the book's own page
6 — The Eye of the Bedlam Bride 0/74 — · the book's own page
7 — This Inevitable Ruin 1/89 Ch. 58 · the book's own page
8 — A Parade of Horribles 1/99 Ch. 60 · the book's own page

By book

Staying human in book 1 — Dungeon Crawler Carl

Carl's line to Brandon (ch. 37) — 'If we get to the point where we don't help each other anymore, that's when we stop being human' — is the book's thesis and the book argues with it. For: covering the signs (ch. 23); choosing the residents (ch. 27); getting Li Jun and Zhang out (ch. 42). Against: the goblin babies he bombed knowing it was a dick move (ch. 16–ch. 18); the courtesans he kicked to death (ch. 26); Zev's focus group calling the residents dead weight; his own conclusion after Yolanda that it would have been kinder to leave them on the first floor (ch. 38), and after Elle that 'this isn't a kindness, keeping them safe' (ch. 37). Frank and Maggie are the alternative and the book lets the Maestro show what it looks like (ch. 43).

Staying human in book 2 — Carl's Doomsday Scenario

'You can't save them all,' Mordecai says of a weeping orc (ch. 14), and Carl gets up in the night anyway. The floor keeps asking the price: a manager stolen by a lie (ch. 1); a dwarf child saved by punching a guard, which costs them the town (ch. 20); a soul crystal caged because Katia has no pass (ch. 24); a genocide stopped by accident. 'This is my family' (ch. 12) is the book's answer, and the leaderboard's bounties are its rejoinder.

Staying human in book 3 — The Dungeon Anarchist's Cookbook

The floor's argument is with Mordecai's 'You can't save them all.' Carl hears it in his head over the stranded (ch. 15), over Bautista (ch. 18, ch. 21), and answers it with a broadcast, seven hundred hats, six carts and a drive to the end of the line (ch. 15, ch. 25, ch. 27, ch. 28): 'Each and every one' (ch. 24); 'Fuck you, Mordecai' (ch. 24). Against it, what people do to each other — a dagger on a dance floor, PVP coupons, phased bolts, a father who made his daughter a weapon, a psychiatrist who used her patient as bait (ch. 8, ch. 18, ch. 19, ch. 22) — 'Is this what we've become?' (ch. 24) — and what Carl does himself: Gary's hands, a mantaur in pieces (ch. 26, ch. 33). Donut's rebuke about Katia (ch. 14) and Katia's 'They came back for me' (ch. 21) are the small version. The large one is a train whistle and 'how much I needed other people' (ch. 34).

Staying human in book 4 — The Gate of the Feral Gods

'Not a person killer, at least' — Donut, opening a hole under a friend rather than let him be killed (ch. 14); Carl's shame at his own relief. Ifechi's spell that cannot be cast on herself (ch. 4); Katia's five days proving she does not need him, 'a necessary feeling' (ch. 20); Imani's rule that no one is left behind (ch. 32); Florin's 'There is something left to fight for' (ch. 33); Katia leaving to protect people nobody else will (ch. 33). Against it: 'Stop. He's not the enemy.' 'Fuck you' (ch. 31); tens of thousands drowned as a favour, and 'a distant part of me was alarmed at this attitude' (ch. 34). Juice Box: 'If he had waited, he'd still be alive.'

Staying human in book 5 — The Butcher's Masquerade

'No matter what', promised in a pub with the water running (ch. 12); 'It's time for you to trust me', Donut deciding about Bea (ch. 18); 'You don't deserve how sad I feel right now', to a hologram (ch. 19); Donut frightened by his anger — 'It's scaring me' (ch. 23); 'That's not what we do here', about abandoning a vampire who saved him (ch. 44); 'That's not who I was. She knew that', over Miriam's ash (ch. 47); 'Trauma […] It's an explosion with your heart at the center' (ch. 49). Against it: a frightened orc killed for two stat points (ch. 25), a man he had started to like killed with his foot (ch. 53), a decision to walk into the Nothing (ch. 73), and, at the end, the mask he tells Donut to keep on until it is safe to take it off (ch. 77).

Staying human in book 6 — The Eye of the Bedlam Bride

'That's not who we are, Donut' (ch. 16); 'We have to draw the line somewhere' over a dead crawler's card (ch. 47); 'We were losing more of ourselves every day' (ch. 60).

Staying human in book 7 — This Inevitable Ruin

Survival has more than one meaning: an order to send a child dinosaur out, erased (ch. 30); a Conscription potion put away (ch. 48); a ring refused and swallowed (ch. 85); Bautista's shame at not being counted human (ch. 87); Katia made human again, and less (ch. 86).

Staying human in book 8 — A Parade of Horribles

Donut: 'Do you really think I could be a proper girlfriend for Carl? It’s a crime against nature' (ch. 16). Carl at the curb: 'I couldn’t react like that' (ch. 45); Bigs's word for what is beyond human: 'Real Gs' (ch. 60); 'Was I different?' (ch. 59); of the what-if apartments, 'That was the point, of course. But it still hurt' (ch. 76); 'It would never be me, and I needed to remember that' (ch. 95). Making a pig sapient crosses 'a line I’d never known was there' (ch. 94).